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Spinning out of control.

I’ve just been on the phone with a journalist. He disagreed when I said that a differentiator for OpenXML over ODF was the care being taken to ensure OpenXML will be able to faithfully represent the hundreds of millions, if not billions of existing documents saved in Microsoft Office’s binary formats. He pointed me to the OpenDocument press release on ISO's web site. I notice that it states (my emphasis):-

Billions of existing office documents will be able to be converted to the XML standard format with no loss of data, formatting, properties, or capabilities. This will facilitate document contents access, search, use, integration and development in new and innovative ways.

I wonder which “billions of existing office documents” can it be referring to? Of course they're documents saved in Microsoft's Office binary file formats (since they and PDF are the only formats that have been used for anything like such a number of documents). The problem is this claim is totally untrue. ODF cannot even approximate the claimed fidelity for even a fraction of these documents.

I've posted previously on the politics behind ODF's standardisation, and I am planning to blog more soon about how the commercial interests that are promoting ODF continue to use politics behind the scenes against their own customers' interests. It's sad to see this kind of untruthful spin and manipulation happening. It is damaging the credibility of OASIS and its technical Committees, and ultimately ISO's too.

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Gary Edwards said:

You're wrong.  The OpenDocument Foundation plug-in will deliver near perfect fidelity for ODF documents produced by MSOffice.  Our fidelity is near identical to the fidelity achieved when converting MS binaries to MOOX.  

Maybe you need to pay more attention to the trials going on in Massachusetts.  Oh, that's right.  Microsoft isn't participating in those trials.  Based on the piss poor fidelity of your translator project, i wouldn't participate either if that was the best i could do.  

The truth is that it doesn't matter to us if it's billions of documents or ten documents.  If that document can be loaded into any version of M$Office from 1997 to 2007, we can convert it with near perfect fidelity.  At least as good as your own conversion within MSOffice to MOOX.  

Perhaps you need to worry more about your own credibility than that of the ODF Community.  We're doing just fine thank you,

Oh yeah, one other thing.  Accessibility add ons to MSOffice work just fine with ODF.  There is no performance differential between ODF and MOOX within MSOffice worth worrying about.  There is no differential in how accessiblitiy applications are handled.  So what was your complaint again?

~ge~
# July 26, 2006 10:28 AM

Richard said:

Gary where can I download the Foundation plug-in from? Does it offer a save-as feature? I heard it will not be free, is that true? Thanks for answers.
# July 26, 2006 4:20 PM

Brian Jones said:

Gary, could you provide a bit more information (or links) on your project? What level of testing are you doing?

There are serious features absent from the ODF spec some I'm curious how you are delivering the near perfect fidelity you are claiming. Are you extending the format? How do you handle things like the more complex international numbering supported (or are you only refering to English documents)? How about tables in presentations? Or functions in Spreadsheets? Or even the more trivial but still important things like character highlighting or borders.

I don't understand how you can get the perfect fidelity you are claiming unless you've also gone off and extended the spec in undocumented ways.

-Brian
# July 26, 2006 10:03 PM

Brian Jones: Open XML Formats said:

OK, forgive the random Sneaker Pimps reference and I promise we will move off this topic of ODF politics...
# July 27, 2006 2:27 PM

Fernando said:

Gary Edwards has completely lost it. "M$Office"? Pathetic.
# July 27, 2006 3:24 PM

Brutus said:

Wait, did Gary Edwards actually use the '$' to refer to Microsoft?  I refuse to believe it.  Nobody *of note* could be so childish.  Someone must've hacked his post to insert "M$Office" to make him look bad.  Yeah, that's it. ;-)
# July 28, 2006 2:40 AM

Brutus said:

ISO really damaged its credibility by rubberstamping the incomplete ODF spec.  And sadly, governments are being tricked into mandating ODF usage because ODF advocacy groups have been propagating the disinformation that ODF is ready for prime time TODAY, and these ODF advocates are using ISO's rubberstamping as their primary piece of propaganda.
# July 28, 2006 2:45 AM